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JIM ROGERS | Write It Down — Commodities Are Going To Do Better Than Stocks

Jim Rogers: Write It Down — Commodities Are Going To Do Better Than Stocks

Nov 20, 2018 12:49 pm
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Author and investor Jim Rogers believes the time is right to invest in commodities.

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“So much is going wrong all at once,” was the assessment by TrendMacro’s Chief Investment Officer Donald Luskin in a recent research note.
Mike Wilson of Morgan Stanley struck an equally pessimistic tone in his note to clients: “We are in a bear market.”
“While 2018 is clearly not a year of recession, the market is speaking loudly that bad news is coming.”
Some of it has already arrived.
U.S. stocks, led by technology companies, slipped again on Monday in a move that wiped out November index gains. FAANG stocks (Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix and Google (Alphabet)) were hit hardest. In recent months, the quintet of technology companies has lost a combined total of roughly $927 billion relative to the individual 52-week highs — a market cap evaporation approximately equal to Apple’s current value.
Although the sharpest pain was felt in technology, most other sectors joined in the pullback with only real estate and utilities barely avoiding losses.
“[We] think the US/China trade war is at the existential center,” wrote Luskin. Yet despite cautious and at times conflicting language from the White House, Luskin remains optimistic that the prospects for a trade deal are improving. In his view, the recent developments indicate the policy process is “reaching its most productive state.”
Nevertheless, investors hoping for an end-of-year rally are quickly running out of time. To make matters worse, the outlook for 2019 is far from promising.
Jan Hatzius of Goldman Sachs expects economic growth to “slow significantly next year.” He’s not alone.
MARKET RISKS
Of all the market risks, author and investor Jim Rogers is most concerned about Washington, DC: “That’s where the greatest risks are.”
“First of all, we have a central bank that has no clue what it’s been doing and, probably, what it will do in the future. We certainly have an executive, and legislative, branch that has no clue about what they’re doing,” he explained to Remy Blaire in a recent Sprott Media interview.
“When things go wrong, they’re going to make more mistakes. Be careful.”
Chris Gaffney of TIAA Bank World Markets is most concerned about risks to growth.
“The main risk is growth … a slowing global economy. As the Fed continues to raise interest rates, if we start to see a slowdown, that could certainly accelerate. China is of particular interest now.”
THE SEARCH FOR ALTERNATIVES
The challenge facing investors is the absence of clear alternatives. The stock pullback, which began quietly below the surface, has now engulfed the market’s biggest names. Roughly 40% of S&P 500 stocks have fallen into bear market territory, and now, with mega cap technology names participating in the pain, the major indexes have begun to suffer.
But where can investors seek refuge?
With interest rates still expected to rise, many investors lack confidence in the bond market. At the same time the absolute level of rates, though higher than before, discourages an outright move to cash.
Real estate, a popular alternative, has fared well in recent years. Yet as interest rates rise, particularly on the popular 30-year fixed mortgage, demand suffers — a trend reflected by the recent drop in homebuilder confidence.
Emerging markets provide yet another possibility, albeit a volatile one. The group, which has struggled this year, has outperformed U.S. stocks in recent weeks. The MSCI index of emerging market shares gained 0.5% on the session led by Chinese stocks.
Even Bitcoin, which began its historic run following last Thanksgiving, has offered no relief. The world’s largest and most well-known cryptocurrency shot above $19,000 before returning the entire gain plus an additional 30%. It now sits below $5,000, its lowest level in more than a year. The sharp reversal has been damaging to both crypto-speculators and the technology companies, particularly the semiconductor companies, that helped fuel the adoption.
OPPORTUNITIES ABROAD
For speculative opportunities, Rogers suggests looking abroad.
“Just like your parents taught you, buy low and sell high. China’s down 60% from its all-time high. Japan’s down 50% — I’m not buying Japan. I don’t own Japan. Russia is hated — I own Russian shares; I own Russian bonds; I own the currency.”
“There are places that are down, and down a lot. And if your mother was right, these are the places you should be looking.”
In particular, Rogers has been looking to Zimbabwe for opportunity.
“Zimbabwe’s a disaster. A man, in 1980, took over and became a dictator pretty quickly thereafter and proceeded to ruin the country for the next 37 years.”
Now, things are set to change.
“They threw him out last year and I know things are going to change. They may get worse, but I would suspect Zimbabwe is now an interesting place to look.”
Nevertheless, Rogers recommends caution.
“If you can’t find Zimbabwe on a map, if you don’t know where Ghana is, please do not invest in either of those countries. Only invest in what you, yourself, know a lot about. If you don’t know that Ghana has a lot of cocoa and a lot of gold, please don’t pay attention.”
It’s true. These opportunities aren’t for everyone.
Steve Todoruk, an investment executive at Sprott, would rather pass. Nonetheless, he agrees there are some interesting opportunities in West Africa, particularly in the Republic of Mali.
“For very special gold deposits in Mali, I’m prepared to take a certain amount of political risk, but the deposit has to be extra special.”
TIME FOR COMMODITIES
The general underperformance of commodities relative to stocks may signal a speculative opportunity.
“Sugar, believe it or not, is down something like 80% from its all-time high. [T]here’s not much in the world, in life, that’s down 80% over the past 40 years,” said Rogers.
Regarding oil and the possibility of OPEC action, Rogers added,
“I have learned not to pay too much attention to [OPEC] … if you’re going to figure out the price of oil.”
“Oil is making a complicated bottom. We’re going to look back one day and say, ‘2015, ‘16, ‘17, ‘18, ‘19 oil made its bottom and it went up again.’ … So be careful, don’t sell your oil.”
Gold, the historical alternative, has been surprisingly quiet given the stock market volatility. Gaffney believes dollar strength and rate hiking cycle are primarily responsible.
“Investors really haven’t moved back in to the precious metals as a safe haven. We did expect to see some of that buying occur as this volatility has hit the markets. But there are a number of factors that continue to weigh on the price of gold, mainly a stronger U.S. dollar and interest rate expectations … we do expect the Fed to continue raising rates.”
So, is it time to buy commodities? Rogers believes it is.
“It is the time to buy commodities again. I would say to you, write it down — commodities are going to do better than stocks.”
Roger that.
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DNI METALS | Advancing Graphite Projects in Madagascar

Dan Weir, executive chairman of DNI Metals, speaks with Maurice Jackson of Proven and Probable about the personnel changes the company has made and its plans to obtain the environmental permits for the company’s graphite projects in Madagascar.

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Maurice Jackson: Joining us for a conversation is Dan Weir, the executive chairman of DNI Metals Inc. (DNI:CSE; DMNKF:OTC), which is establishing itself to become one of the world’s leading graphite producers.
Dan, glad to have you back on the show. Before we delve into today’s interview, for first time listeners, who is DNI Metals and what is the thesis you’re attempting to prove?
Dan Weir: DNI is a public company, listed in Toronto and the U.S. on the OTCQB. We are developing graphite projects in Madagascar, and we’re very excited to be involved in the graphite industry because, as you know, and I think a lot of your listeners will know that the demand picture for the future of graphite looks very good. If you just take a Tesla and look at the batteries that go into a Tesla, in every Tesla car there’s going to be somewhere between 100 and 200 kilograms of graphite. Multiply that by how many thousands and millions of electric cars that we’re going to have, let alone the batteries in your cellphones and the batteries in our computers. The demand in the world is going to be huge. So we’re very excited about the future and the future for graphite.
Maurice Jackson: Dan, you referenced DNI’s projects are located in Madagascar. I understand that elections are coming up soon. I have a multilayered question, should the current administration remain in place, what type of impact will that have on DNI and what if a new administration takes place, what type of impact could this have on DNI?
Dan Weir: Well, I’m going to take you through how the elections work here in Madagascar. There’s a presidential election that happens every four to five years. I think it’s mandated that it has to happen every five years. In order to become president, you have to have 50% of the votes. Now, the first round of the elections took place on November 7, so just a couple days ago. There were 36 people running for the president, including four of the people running were ex-presidents of the country. So the incumbent is one of the four.
We had the election on the 7th. And it takes approximately 20 days to do all the counting of the votes. Therefore, we won’t know the outcome for approximately three weeks. Legally, all voting has be recorded and published within the next 21 days. So by November 28, legally they have to announce all the different figures or the numbers or percentages that all the different candidates received.
Then what happens is if no candidate gets over 50%, they have a next round of elections. The two top candidates from the first round will compete in a second round. So the second round will happen on December 19 should this situation come to fruition. Again, then you’re going to have probably another 20 days before you get the results. So you’re really looking into mid-January by the time they announce who the president is and who wins the election.
Now, in the government they have a president, then they have a prime minister, then they have different ministers for different areas, minister of mines, minister of the environment, etc. The president doesn’t actually pick the prime minister, but what he does is he goes to parliament and gives them about four or five different names of who he would like to be the prime minister. So he doesn’t technically put the prime minister in place, but he’s the one that provides the names to parliament and then parliament picks who that prime minister is. But the president does pick who all the different ministers are.
So until mid-January, the current prime minister and all the current ministers stay in place and it’s business as usual until mid-January. Does that answer all your questions that you had on that topic, Maurice?
Maurice Jackson: It certainly does. Let’s switch gears here. Since our last interview, there have been a number of personnel changes at DNI Metals. As a shareholder, how concerned should I be, and equally important, why were these changes made?
Dan Weir: So I want to be careful what I say here. You can refer to our press releases that we’ve put out over the last couple weeks. We have decided to make changes here. I think I’m going to make it as polite as I can, Maurice. We have decided to make changes here in Madagascar. The team that we had in place we felt was not doing their jobs properly. So we terminated their contracts. Every single one of them was a contractor to the company. We terminated their contracts and we have brought new people in. I have decided to spend more time in Madagascar and take over as the country manager here in Madagascar to make sure that things are moving forward in the right direction.
As we stated in our previous press releases that we had been promised from our previous team the environmental permits would be done in January of 2018. We’re now in November of 2018. This was not fair to our shareholders, and therefore, we needed to make changes. I am here now taking control of that process and taking control of all the personnel here in Madagascar. I will be spending a lot of time in Madagascar to make sure that everything goes through and goes through smoothly here in Madagascar.
So new team will be myself, we will have a bookkeeper/accountant here in Madagascar as well, and I decided to bring in a lawyer on a contract basis, basically she will work part-time for us here in the company. I brought in a government relations person, again a contractor that will work part-time. And I brought in a community relations person, a CSR expert. He is also a chemical engineer. He will look after all of the local people and probably in the new year, I’ll probably bring him on more as a full-time person. As we get our environmental permits and we’re building our pilot plant initially and then the full on commercial plant, we’ll need somebody like him when you’re dealing with all the locals and all the relationships within the locals; and, again, him being a process engineer, chemical engineer, he’s a great person that can talk to all the locals and help us put processes in place to deal with the locals and deal with all our workers.
Maurice Jackson: You’ve also had some changes on the board. Can you speak to that?
Dan Weir: Yes. On our boards, we had five people. Myself, John Carter, who is an engineer. He’s built multiple processes plants. I think somewhere around 300 different mining processes plants around the world, including four graphite processing plants. We have Keith Minty. He’s a mine engineer. He’s operated graphite mines in Ontario and in Sri Lanka. He has worked all around the world, including Madagascar at one point and time. So these are great guys to have on the board. The other two people that we had on the board were two accountants, Paul Hart and Brian Howlett. They have decided to step down.
As we are moving closer and closer to getting the pilot plant built and commercial production, we will bring in people that have more expertise in graphite sales as well as have technical expertise in building graphite mines. The other people that we might consider for the board as we move forward would maybe be some of the big shareholders who have had a lot of expertise in developing companies and building companies. So we’ll look at that. That will be in the new year. Right now the main focus is making sure that we get all of our environmental licenses and that we’re moving forward.
Maurice Jackson: Before we get to the environmental licenses, talk to us about some good news that you have for U.S. investors.
Dan Weir: We decided to upgrade our listing in the United States on the OTC. We’re going to move it up to a QB listing in the United States. What that does is I’ve had complaints from different people in the U.S. and from around the world where a lot of the discount brokers found it difficult to trade on the CSE, one of the stock exchanges in Canada. So we are getting an upgraded listing in the United States, and we had been fully approved for that listing; that should happen over the next couple months. We will also get what we call DTC settlements set up where it, again, makes it easier for discount brokers in settling the trades in the back office. DTC basically is an electronic transfer system. Again, just makes it much easier for trading and settling of your trades.
Maurice Jackson: All right. The multi-million dollar question everyone wants to know about. What is the next unanswered question for DNI Metals? When should we expect results, and what determines success?
Dan Weir: So results, if you’re referring to getting the environmental licenses and moving the project forward, again, that’s been our biggest delay over the last year is getting these environmental licenses. I’ve been promising and promising and promising that they’re coming, they’re coming. It’ll happen soon. Most of that was from our team here in Madagascar that kept promising me that it was going to happen tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow. A number of documents and stuff that they gave us to show that it was going to happen tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow ended up not being really truthful documents or proper documents. I’m rectifying all that. I’ve taken charge here.
We have found out, and you can refer to one of our press releases that some of our documents had not even been filed, even though we had been told that they had been filed. For the Vohitsara property, some of the documents been filed, they had not been filed properly. When you’re working here and you’re filing environmental permits, this is the document. It’s about 500 pages long that you file for an environmental license in Madagascar. This had not been filed for the Marofody property. You file that and you also file a document that looks like this, which is called the Cahier des Charges. The Cahier des Charges is about 88 pages. It’s stamped by the director general of the mines ministry. This document had not been filed either for Marofody. So we’ve gotten the copies. We will be filing those with the ONE. Again, the ONE is the ministry of the environment and be moving this project forward.
So, as we said in the press release that I put out in the last couple days here, once you have filed the documents with the ONE, it’s a 60-day process that they must evaluate and grant you the environmental license within those 60 days. They also have a requirement where they need to go to the property twice. We will take them to both Vohitsara and Marofody properties at the same time. As part of that, I’ve requested and I have a meeting next week with the ONE again to try to speed this up. I will be requesting if we can we do those visits within the 60 day-process. I think that my initial meeting with them, they indicated that that was possible, and hopefully I can confirm that up next week.
So when is the exact timing? I can only give you what the laws state in Madagascar, which I have put in the most recent press release. People, again, have been concerned about the elections. If we can work within this 60 day window here, we will have this all completed while the current ministers are still in place. So we should be able to get all the documents completed and get our environmental licenses within those days. Again, that’s kind of a worst case scenario. The ONE knows that there were some people that have not really done their jobs properly here in Madagascar, and that they will work with us to speed up this process as fast as they can, which is fantastic.
Maurice Jackson: It truly is exciting to hear that. Last question for you, what did I forget to ask?
Dan Weir: I’m not sure. I know the two biggest questions for people out there have been: How do the elections effect DNI, and what the heck is going on with the permits? So hopefully we have addressed those today, and with some of the press releases that I have put out recently, I will try to get the market as much as I can update information as we move forward, and I look forward to finally getting the permits and actually getting this thing, the pilot plant, built and get into production. I’ve been trying to do this for a long time, but I’m finally excited that now I am taking control, I will remain in control of this process, and we know exactly what has to be done to complete this process, and I’m pushing forward to make sure that that happens.
Maurice Jackson: Mr. Weir, for someone listening and that wants to get more information on DNI Metals, please share the contact details.
Dan Weir: Best thing to do right now because I’m going to be in Madagascar quite a bit. It gets very expensive to call me on the phone. I’d prefer if you can email me at [email protected]. I will respond to that. It’s about an eight hour time difference between Madagascar and New York or Toronto. So please bear with me, if you don’t hear from me for a couple days, I will get back to you.
Maurice Jackson: And please share the website address.
Dan Weir: The website is www.DNIMetals.com.
Maurice Jackson: And as a reminder, DNI Metals trades on the CSE, symbol DNI, and on the OTC QB, symbol DMNKF. DNI Metals is a sponsor of Proven and Probable, and we are proud shareholders for the virtues conveyed in today’s interview.
And last but not least, please visit our website www.provenandprobable.com where we interview the most respected names in the natural resource space. You may reach us at [email protected].
Dan Weir of DNI Metals, thank you for joining us today on Proven and Probable.
Dan Weir: Thank you, Maurice, and bye to everybody from Madagascar.
Maurice Jackson is the founder of Proven and Probable, a site that aims to enrich its subscribers through education in precious metals and junior mining companies that will enrich the world.

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MINING | Sprott Inc. Declares Third Quarter 2018 dividend

TORONTO, Nov. 08, 2018 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) — Sprott Inc. (“Sprott” or the “Company”) (SII.TO) today declared an eligible dividend of $0.03 per common share for the quarter ended September 30, 2018, payable on December 4, 2018 to shareholders of record at the close of business on November 19, 2018.

About Sprott

Sprott is an alternative asset manager and a global leader in precious metal and real asset investments. Through its subsidiaries in Canada, the US and Asia, the Corporation is dedicated to providing investors with best-in-class investment strategies that include Exchange Listed Products, Alternative Asset Management and Private Resource Investments. The Corporation also operates Merchant Banking and Brokerage businesses in both Canada and the US. Sprott is based in Toronto with offices in New York, Carlsbad and Vancouver and its common shares are listed on the Toronto Stock Exchange under the symbol (SII.TO). For more information, please visit www.sprott.com.

Investor contact information:

Glen Williams
Managing Director
(416) 943-4394
gwilliams@sprott.com

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Capitalism & Morality 2019

Saturday, 3rd August 2019

7:30 to 7:55 am: Registration and coffee
7:55 to 8 am: Introduction by Jayant Bhandari
8 to 9 am: “South Africa: The Reality Obscuring the Ideal,” by Simon Roche
9 to 9:30 am: “Changing Culture of the Youth in the West,” by Prof. Ian Plimer
9:30 to 10 am: Coffee
10 to 10:40 am: TBA
10:40 to 11 am: “Things that Annoy a Grumpy Old Libertarian,” by Adrian Day
11 to 11:40 am: “Open Borders?,” a debate between Rakesh Wadhwa and Frank Raymond; moderated by Albert Lu
11:40 to 12:50 pm: Lunch
12:50 to 2:20 pm: “Prejudice, Discrimination, Racism and ‘the West vs. the Rest’,” a discussion between Doug CaseyRick Rule, and Jayant Bhandari; moderated by Albert Lu
2:20 to 2:50 pm: Coffee
2:50 to 3:30 pm: “Kidnapping the Goddess of Eris,” by Rick Rule
3:30 to 4 pm: “The Virtue of Selfishness,” by Mary Lou Gutscher
4 to 4:20 pm: “Are You a Libertarian?” by Rajni Bala
4:20 to 4:40 pm: “The Effect of Mexican Immigration into the US,” by Jorge Ramiro Monroy
4:40 to 4:50 pm: Break
4:50 to 5:20 pm: “The World without the USA,” by Jayant Bhandari
5:20 to 6:00 pm: “The Characters of My Novels, and the Archetypes They Represent,” by Doug Casey
Venue:
Event Rooms 1300-1500
Segal Graduate School of Business
500 Granville Street
Vancouver, BC, Canada V6C 1W6
(This is an independent event, not affiliated with the School)
Host:
Jayant Bhandari
Price (until 15th November 2018):
C$117 for individuals; C$80 for those from the media; C$80 for those under 25 year old.

(For discounted price, please contact us for a link to register)
Other Events: There will be organized dinners on 2nd & 3rd August 2019. Also, there will be a picnic in the morning of 4th August 2019. These events will be charged separately.
Refund Policy: You can ask for a full refund (minus any transaction fee) until 1st July 2019. Thereafter a 25% deduction applies. No refund will be made for cancellation after 15th July. We are happy to change the name of the participant if you want someone else to take your place. Price of the ticket increases significantly as we get closer to the date of the event.
Linked here are video recordings of earlier year seminars.

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